California Attorney General Rob Bonta last night filed a request for a preliminary injunction in California’s existing case against Amazon for price fixing. Attorney General Bonta’s 2022 lawsuit alleged that the company stifled competition and caused increased prices across California through its anticompetitive policies in order to avoid competing on price with other retailers. New evidence paints a clearer and more shocking picture. The motion for a preliminary injunction comes after a robust discovery process where California uncovered evidence of countless interactions in which Amazon, vendors, and Amazon’s competitors agree to increase and fix the prices of products on other retail websites to bolster Amazon’s profits. Time and again, across years and product categories, Amazon has reached out to its vendors and instructed them to increase retail prices on competitors’ websites, threatening dire consequences if vendors do not comply. Vendors, bullied by Amazon’s overwhelming bargaining leverage and fearing punishment, comply — agreeing to raise prices on competitors’ websites (often with the awareness and cooperation of the competing retailer), or to remove products from competing websites altogether. Amazon’s goal is to insulate itself from price competition by preventing lower retail prices in the market at the expense of American consumers who are already struggling with a crisis of affordability.
They’re BUSTED when someone goes to prison.
I’ve pointed out Valve doing basically the same thing; games can’t be priced lower than Steam on competing game storefronts (not Steam key resellers), or Valve will threaten to delist your game. Which would be essentially kill it. And they obviously do this to protect their chunky store fee.
But personal loyalty goes a long way.
I’m trying to reframe the perspective here, not drag into an argument about Valve. A whole lot of people feel good about finding “deals” on Amazon, about Amazon services that have helped them, and especially about the value and convenience the whole platform provides. It’s easy for Lemmy to hate on Amazon, but for the average person, I think this is a harder sell than most of us realize. They’ll dismiss it as the “market working” or California sensationalism or, more likely, just filter it out as noise in their feed, just like most PC gamers would when they read something bad about Valve.
I boycott pretty much all the big corporations. I can’t really boycott Amazon because I am in a super rural part of the US and run a small business. Like most small businesses I purchase a lot of random doodads and thingamabobbers from china. Amazons monopoly on the US post office and their logistic network that gets bulk goods from china to my house is hard to live without. They fix more than prices, the whole economy is stacked in their favor. They basically won globalism and it was bad for the globe.
Valves scope is much smaller and less destructive. They keep their customers due to loyalty and the investment into a steam library.
Yeah…
That’s how Amazon worked. At first.
Back then, online shopping kind of sucked, and this little book store company made its so streamlined I got invested.
I didn’t invest because I always thought they would get broken up as a monopoly.
But the point is that Valve could easily be Amazon some day. All these little companies taking their first anticompetitive steps could.
Of course everyone loves them when they’re small, and nice, and growing, until they get so big it’s way too late to do anything about it. But many will still feel loyalty, like they do to Amazon today.
Bezos was a hedge fund manager. This should surprise nobody.
Bezos was a Senior VP by the age of 30, working for D.E. Shaw, and was a rumored heir for taking over the business after he retires. Bezos would have made billions and managed a major hedge fund. Set for life.
But that was not enough for him, he wanted to hoard hundreds of billions of wealth instead, so here we are. How perfectly healthy and in no way a mental illness.
I cannot express enough how angry I am that people still use amazon. Major cringe when friends tell me all the shit they buy on there. I used it 10 years ago a couple times, never once since then. Its shit, slave labor, and enriches billionaires. No one forces you to use it.
Feel free to provide goods to my rural community any time! You can’t believe that poor people have budget consideration and seek the cheapest product?
Use eBay or literally any other site. What is so specific to amazon that you need ? Amazon isn’t even cheaper in many cases if you actually search.
eBay’s just as fucking bad? They monopolized your post office pricing and fix prices on their market place, they manipulate visibility and charge more for promotions. It’s the same scam with a different name lmao
Well, if you wanna say that, all stores are bad, capitalism is evil, stop buying things and go live in a cave 😁
There is not one store out there that’s not evil, because capitalism relies on exploiting the poor and weak and less intelligent. That’s how it is. Unless you go live off grid in Alaska but guess what you’ll still have to import products made with slave labor.
Again, Lemmy being angry because we aren’t perfect. Using eBay or a small store instead of amazon is astronomically better than buying your funko pop collection on amazon.
Amazon is cheaper than eBay on every item I’ve looked at in the last 6 months. eBay has robbed me a few times in the last 6 months. What a wild ass suggestion.
Huh, bad luck. I’ve been using eBay for 20 years with maybe 2 issues and they’ve always been resolved.
It’s cringe because it’s affordable and convenient? Whenever I buy something from there I always price compare online and it’s the cheapest hands-down. Some people don’t have the luxury of constantly considering geopolitics and large-scale repercussions when they’re just simply trying to get by.
It super depends on what you’re buying. Personally, I just go without in order to avoid them. The only things I ever buy from Amazon are things I cannot find anywhere else that I need to have, such as water filters for the lead pipes in Montréal.
We don’t have the luxury to ignore how bad Amazon is. Amazon is aware of this and does everything it can to force you to buy from them by under cutting other businesses until competition dries up. Every time I can buy something for a little bit more and skip Amazon that’s a huge a win for everyone from the original supplier, the more local store selling it, and the working class in general.
Edit: Reading and writing more comments, I’m gunna find a way to get those filters from elsewhere even if they cost a bunch more.
No bro water filters from Amazon are unethical, please expose yourself to lead because some guy on lemmy is virtue signaling /s
I cannot tell what side of the argument you’re trying to be on here, gunna be real hokest with ya.
I mean what I said. I also buy water filters from Amazon because I suck water straight from the ground. Some times the water is yellow and needs to be filtered.
I think personal safety is more important than virtue signaling. You should have used your political power to regulate it before it became a critical service in communities. I hate Amazon, yet I am dependent on it. I come from the side of nuance. You want to handle Amazon you monopoly bust it. Boycotting won’t help.
“some people don’t have the luxury of considering whether their product is made from death camp body parts when they’re just simply trying to get by”
Jesus H Fucking Christ. How about electing a government that will regulate Amazon instead of comparing poor people who need consumer goods to nazis. This is some tankie ass behavior
You missed the point completely, so I’ll lay it out for you: Everyone has to draw a line SOMEWHERE. And when a country whose government sends fascist death squads into the streets is supported by a company, there’s a fuckton of lines to be drawn.
There’s ZERO excuse for doing business with amazon. No one is starving because they can’t shop there. So GTFO with your lazy ass morally corrupt exuses.
Great reason to business with Amazon. Armor plates and carrier. Gun mods. These are real expressions of political will. Enjoy your boycott. Glad you’re privileged enough to have money and options on places to purchase consumer goods. Super happy for you. Very righteous.
Now that we have a dictator I find it hilarious you’re trying to do the steps from before we have a dictator. It’s too late for boycotts and protests and voting. You missed your chance for that 10 years ago. Amazon’s got cheap body armor.
Sorry bub I’ve got plants to feed. Don’t worry my neighbor is going to genocide us no matter where we buy water filters from.
Bought something from AliExpress last week. Showed up in an Amazon box 😐 Aggravating that the only way to avoid them is apparently to never shop online. I already mostly don’t, but sheesh.
I don’t know where you live, but shopping offline is a nightmare here (germany). Not only can you drive a lot to actually find any store that might have the shit you need, but also have to find parking. And then pay more for that than shipping costs of a fucking 200" TV.
And then you have to deal with overcrowded shops with a gazillion stinky people in line just to endure a totally clueless yet unmotivated employee.
And then they offer one or two of the things you want. Nowhere near what you actually want or way too cheap or way too expensive. Or just plain crap. Or exactly what you want, but in pink hello Kitty design.
And then…despite all our legal rights and customer protection laws, you can fight every fucking merchant ever whenever you the dislike the product after a few days or, god beware, it broke and you need a new one or at least repairs.
Amazon got me 20yrs ago when my top of the line gaming GPU broke after 2 years and they just refunded it, no questions asked. And they still do. I literally saved a 100k on their lash policy over those 20yrs.
I hate amazon from the depths of my heart, I avoid any and every us-company, all big tech and social media and whatnot. But those damn fuckers? I would have to spend triple to get a fraction of everything and drive hundreds of hours. And I’m a goddamn cheapskate that turns around any cent, despite having enough.
We only have one other very big shop here for online, and they only have a tiny fraction. I shop there too, but…
Yeah, I’m in the US and what you described matches the experience here too.
One major point though, the physical locations still have to pay humans, in my community, to operate. It’s not much, but these days I consider it roughly a moral duty to do what I can to force companies to spend money on employees.
And then otherwise at our house we just buy more and more stuff second hand. Quality in everything is trash anymore, even just packaging is barely functional trash these days. Everything you open destroys itself, including stuff that’s supposed to reseal with a zipper, like a bag of cheese. Gotta make line go up!
Fair points. We actually do buy much stuff used, even clothes. As a principle. Though I always kinda feel bad to buy stuff others could have needed more or are forced financially to do so. It’s a mixed bag…
As for employees that’s another thing. Offline shopping is so annoying that most stores closed already and the inner cities here basically became lil Istanbuls where you can’t even read the signs anymore unless you can read Arabic. What’s left are mostly chains, of which many are US-owned or lick US-boots (nothing against you guys, but the country and its course). So buying there or at Amazon doesn’t change much. Super large companies that shit on employees and would rather own slaves than pay minimum wage.
And the few shops where shopping is still fun, peaceful and with a variety that sparks joy, are often shops not meant for the average Joe. The last one we strolled through was awesome. Except that unless they see your platinum or better card they wouldn’t even talk with you. And we usually don’t look like we’re loaded and we got treated this way. So fuck them too.
I hate offline shopping. And I loved it 30yrs ago. I went to the city core every day and shopped like an idiot. It was fun, informative and efficient. Now that feels like a story from my dead granny
I definitely can’t comment on what your situation looks like to you directly, but where I live, I find your description of nothing but “lil Istanbuls” in the “inner cities” to sound super suspicious. Gross, honestly.
In the US that’s roughly the exact sentiment (not far from exact words, truly!) that the most egregious Trump supporters spew everywhere they can. To be clear, these folks rarely visit a city in any capacity and will often tell stories for weeks when they do. All the while getting themselves worked up enough to collect legitimate small arsenals (not hypothetical “har har, Americans”, I’ve known many people young and old like this).
I dunno. I can’t see what it looks like from your eyes, fundamentally. But are you sure you’re as unwelcome as you think in the immigrant shops, or even shopping areas/neighborhoods? I randomly pop into whatever vaguely or strongly “ethnic” shop or restaurant and never have a bad time. Pretty often have some fantastic times! Just go shop there and let yourself be (a little) vulnerable and clueless, is the advice I’d give my lost warped countrymen.
Sounds like you’re describing a different desired experience, I don’t mean to be TOO reductive, but idk. Cultural integration can work both ways, it’s fun and dope to learn and enjoy what other people like, might be my single favorite experience on Earth 🤙
Oh no, don’t get me wrong. I like multicultural stuff. But the key-word here is MULTI. That is not what is happening here. I love my occasional asian supermarket, indian shop or even that one bulgarian mini-shop that exists. What i can’t stand anymore is that one single cultural theme taking over complete areas, especially every main street. This is no exaggeration for drama’s sake. Most of the inner-city-shops don’t even have anything in german (or at least english) on their windows. All arabic. You don’t even have a clue what it’s about. Hearing spoken german in those areas is the exception. And they don’t want any non muslim. To them we are…well.
I’m no racist, I’m misanthropic. I think the whole species is a virus, i don’t care for race or sex or whatever. But i do despise religion in whichever form.
If i’d emigrate, I’d learn the language and try to assimilate the culture as much as possible. I would not try to make that new place my old place. Why would I even emigrate then :)
No, I’m not the european MAGA-equivalent. There just a VAST difference between multicultural variety and monocultural invasion. We also have a “little tokyo” here, where there are predominantly japanese migrants. It’s a great place, you’re always super welcome everywhere. They WANT us there.
Also it’s not all of germany though. I happen to be born in a conglomeration of many cities into one big heap of cities next to each other. Long story short, yes, cultural integration can work both ways and it’s dope to discover other cultures (hence i love travelling and have seen most places on this earth). This is no “foreigners bad!”-rant. It’s a sad observation from 40yrs ago to today.
Besides, yes. we have a strong drift to the right here too. No armed hillbilly yokels like you have, but still dangerously strong tbh. I’d argue that the next elections may already be doomed and we will go nazi again. At which point wifey and I will finally move elsewhere.
There was a time when Amazon was not full of scummy rip-off products, when it was not playing games with prices, when it was not a cloud-computing powerhouse, and you know what happened?
That’s right, they crushed their adversaries (retail shopping) and earned billions in profits. They won.
But somehow that’s not enough winning, there isn’t enough winning until all the value has been vacuumed up from the world.
To quote a favorite singer of mine,
You could fill a man with gold, and still have room for greed.
The other commenters here are right about Amazon’s initial methods, but I’m also going to highly recommend Cory Doctorow’s Enshittification for a detailed explanation of how this happens (including a breakdown on Amazon specifically) and what to do about it.
It’s easy to crush the competition when you purposely take a loss as an investment in future market share.
Bezos explicitly undercut the competition for years to drive all of the competition out of business. Amazon took as much time from 1997-2016 to make as much profit as they did in 2017, which is also (not) coincidentally when they hit peak market saturation and were able to start raising their prices.
So what you’re talking about was real, but it wasn’t like, “back when Amazon was good”, they were just preparing for what they are now. Having a huge monopoly on just about everything has always been their win condition, and they’re no where near done winning.
And that is why I no longer buy anything from them. I’m just embarrassed it took me as long as it did to realize what they were really doing.
The frustrating thing is we can’t boycott AWS since so many of the sites we use run on it. But yes, we absolutely shouldn’t buy things through Amazon or any of the other web stores Amazon owns.
