After Anthropic refused flat out to agree to apply Claude AI to autonomous weapons and mass surveillance of American citizens, OpenAI jumps right into bed with the United States Department of War.
That’s true, people can grow and change. Heck, I used CharacterAI for a very, very brief period when I was lying to myself about it’s impact on not just the world and artists but myself too. I quickly realized I couldn’t defend it, and I didn’t like how it was affecting me personally either so I quickly got rid of it. Been strongly anti-“AI” ever since.
HOWEVER, I also think it is worth criticizing those who are only giving it up now, because that’s absurd. We’ve all know for ages that this stuff is horrible for everybody and everything an disrespectful to artists, and it doesn’t even take much thinking to come to that conclusion on your own. If this is the tipping point that makes someone give up “AI”, I still consider them a fucking idiot. I’m just glad their stupidity is harming everyone else a bit less now.
Canceling now only means you are not continuing to contribute to the war atrocities that the technology is going to be used for. If you had an account and used it, you have already contributed.
Flogging Molly has been fun to be reminded to listen to. Brought me back to Streetlight Manifesto that i forgot was great, also do you mind if i borrow one of those dollar bills while i go to take a leak real quick?
Oh man, I’ve seen FM 3 times live, honestly the best concerts I’ve ever been to - something about their music just brings out the best energy in everyone
And this is why anybody who made a mistake in the past should be shunned forever, regardless of their current views and actions. They may as well just jump off a bridge and save us the trouble of setting up a firing squad.
Making a mistake is one thing. Ignoring the BIG FLASHING WARNING SIGNS is another. There have been massive warning signs around AI for several years. If you looked at the warning signs and proceeded anyway, you deserve what you get.
They never said they should be shunned, they didnt even list a social consequence. The fact remains that if you used OpenAI in the past you already contributed.
OK, and the point of the thread was that it’s still a good thing if they quit it now. No one can undo past mistakes but you can decide not to keep making them.
Yeah, we live and learn. We don’t expect perfection, we expect self improvement. Its important not to excuse bad decisions/behavior. Be more skeptical of new technology in the future and pay attention to who’s creating/selling it.
That’s not the argument at all. The argument is that there have been warning signs, big flashing warning signs, about the dangers of using AI for years now. Most technology, in general doesn’t come with anywhere near as many warnings.
And, it’s been a known fact that people using AI are also training in the AI. That’s an active choice that people that signed up for accounts are making.
So yes, users of this technology are taking an active role in the training of the technology, that makes them complicit.
That is a far cry from data brokers going out and harvesting public records, or companies tracking your spending habits and feeding that into a database. If those companies then turned around and made a weapon, no I wouldn’t point the finger at people whose information got scraped. OTOH - if you continued to use a platform that you know is using you to gather information (aka, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc.) and let them do it, then yeah…you have some level of complicity.
There is no such thing as “ethical” AI coming from Big Tech. Google, Microsoft, Anthropic, Amazon, all of them built their machines without consent, all their machines have been subsidized with our taxes and resources, and Anthropic is a pro-Trump pro-foreign-dictator company that crossed every single red line until the very last one.
Anthropic was pro mass surveillance of foreigners.
It was okay with helping Trump plan criminal invasions.
It just doesn’t want to be held responsible for pushing the “go” button, but we know their software was one suggestion away from doing it anyway.
That’s no judgment on me. I don’t use AI. I tried it one night 3-4 years ago, realized that it wasn’t ready for widespread adoption, and haven’t touched it since.
Cancelling now is still better late than never.
That’s true, people can grow and change. Heck, I used CharacterAI for a very, very brief period when I was lying to myself about it’s impact on not just the world and artists but myself too. I quickly realized I couldn’t defend it, and I didn’t like how it was affecting me personally either so I quickly got rid of it. Been strongly anti-“AI” ever since.
HOWEVER, I also think it is worth criticizing those who are only giving it up now, because that’s absurd. We’ve all know for ages that this stuff is horrible for everybody and everything an disrespectful to artists, and it doesn’t even take much thinking to come to that conclusion on your own. If this is the tipping point that makes someone give up “AI”, I still consider them a fucking idiot. I’m just glad their stupidity is harming everyone else a bit less now.
Canceling now only means you are not continuing to contribute to the war atrocities that the technology is going to be used for. If you had an account and used it, you have already contributed.
Thanks for doing this - it isn’t a proper leftist get-together without some assclown imposing impossible purity tests.
you are no true Irishman!
I have an IRA account, does that make me kinda Irish?
Does it have 3$ in it and is there a Guinness in yer hand? Then welcome to the Irish me boy
Flogging Molly has been fun to be reminded to listen to. Brought me back to Streetlight Manifesto that i forgot was great, also do you mind if i borrow one of those dollar bills while i go to take a leak real quick?
Oh man, I’ve seen FM 3 times live, honestly the best concerts I’ve ever been to - something about their music just brings out the best energy in everyone
Impossible purity test? That’s utter bull crap. There have been many warnings about the negative uses of AI for years now, for example: https://aiforgood.itu.int/event/addressing-the-dark-sides-of-ai/
To expect people to be able to understand that this use could be expanded to committing state sponsored atrocities is not a stretch.
And this is why anybody who made a mistake in the past should be shunned forever, regardless of their current views and actions. They may as well just jump off a bridge and save us the trouble of setting up a firing squad.
Making a mistake is one thing. Ignoring the BIG FLASHING WARNING SIGNS is another. There have been massive warning signs around AI for several years. If you looked at the warning signs and proceeded anyway, you deserve what you get.
They never said they should be shunned, they didnt even list a social consequence. The fact remains that if you used OpenAI in the past you already contributed.
OK, and the point of the thread was that it’s still a good thing if they quit it now. No one can undo past mistakes but you can decide not to keep making them.
You are fucking insane. By your logic any customer of a company that might one day build a weapon is complicit. That is asinine.
Yeah, we live and learn. We don’t expect perfection, we expect self improvement. Its important not to excuse bad decisions/behavior. Be more skeptical of new technology in the future and pay attention to who’s creating/selling it.
That’s not the argument at all. The argument is that there have been warning signs, big flashing warning signs, about the dangers of using AI for years now. Most technology, in general doesn’t come with anywhere near as many warnings.
And, it’s been a known fact that people using AI are also training in the AI. That’s an active choice that people that signed up for accounts are making.
So yes, users of this technology are taking an active role in the training of the technology, that makes them complicit.
That is a far cry from data brokers going out and harvesting public records, or companies tracking your spending habits and feeding that into a database. If those companies then turned around and made a weapon, no I wouldn’t point the finger at people whose information got scraped. OTOH - if you continued to use a platform that you know is using you to gather information (aka, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc.) and let them do it, then yeah…you have some level of complicity.
With their last link, they’re complicit
This person uses the internet, which for *years *has had TONs of negative uses.
How do you think Epstein emailed his buddies? The internet.
You can’t trust people that use evil technologies like user Unattributed. Thanks for the incredibly sound and intelligent logical framework!
Well, judge not lest you too be judged…
There is no such thing as “ethical” AI coming from Big Tech. Google, Microsoft, Anthropic, Amazon, all of them built their machines without consent, all their machines have been subsidized with our taxes and resources, and Anthropic is a pro-Trump pro-foreign-dictator company that crossed every single red line until the very last one.
Anthropic was pro mass surveillance of foreigners.
It was okay with helping Trump plan criminal invasions.
It just doesn’t want to be held responsible for pushing the “go” button, but we know their software was one suggestion away from doing it anyway.
That’s no judgment on me. I don’t use AI. I tried it one night 3-4 years ago, realized that it wasn’t ready for widespread adoption, and haven’t touched it since.