Inheriting their worldview from consensus or comfort, never having to earn it through actual thought.

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    5 days ago

    Whilst this statement has some merit, its problem is that you’re setting up a precursor to a straw-man argument. This is because who defines “challenging ideas”. This allows anyone to come up with a supposed challenging idea, then call anyone who doesn’t engage in it “an intellectual nepobaby”.

    For example, should I engage in the “challenging idea” that the world is run by lizard people?

    What about the “challenging idea” that throwing bricks in peoples faces will fix their teeth?

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      5 days ago

      I get what you’re saying, but you’re kind of setting up a strawman yourself here here. Not every idea deserves endless debate, sure, it’s about the habit of dismissing things as “stupid” without even considering them. Sure, lizard people and bricks fixing teeth are absurd. But those examples are extreme on purpose, and they don’t really address the core of people rejecting ideas out of hand just because they’re unfamiliar or uncomfortable. If an idea is actually bad, it will fall apart under scrutiny. But if the default response is just “that’s dumb,” we’re not thinking critically, we’re just avoiding the work, and worse, we are participating in a culture where it’s okay to do so. Which is exactly what leads to people getting (and abusing) terrible ideas.

      Remedy to stupidity isn’t LESS critical thinking.

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        But those examples are extreme on purpose

        Yes they were! And you’re right, we need to allow ourselves to be challenged, to consider ideas outside of our comfort zone, but we also need to able to reject ideas that are not being posited in good faith.

        This is the joy of debate, to question statements and receive nuanced answers in reply.

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          4 days ago

          How do you determine what’s not in good faith?

          I would imagine this would tie to values, but do those become the unquestionable object, then?

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            How do you determine what’s not in good faith?

            I personally always assume good faith. I can’t read people’s minds. On the Internet, I can’t even see facial expressions or hear how they’re saying it. It’s like that Key and Peele text message sketch.

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                3 days ago

                When one assumes bad faith, one is assuming guilt. That isn’t fair. I have found it better to assume innocence, to adopt Judge Blackstone’s ratio over Judge Dredd’s.

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                  I think it’s fair to assume those when people openly support a movement that visibly takes away the rights of marginalized groups and kills innocent people.