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[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 14 points 59 minutes ago

They got scared by Framework sucess

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 1 point 5 minutes ago* (last edited 32 seconds ago)

I picked up a 2025 P14s Gen 6. Wanted Ethernet and the ability to easily swap both RAM sticks in the future. Apart from the soldered WiFi chip, this computer is by far one of the most modern and repairable ones I’ve seen. Perfectly runs Fedora KDE, too.

T series are also fantastic, but at the time it wasn’t as repairable given one RAM stick was soldered and the other was replaceable. Also because of the form factor it didn’t have Ethernet.

Can’t go wrong with a P series if your needs are similar to mine in a computer for long-term use.

Edit: Forgot to add that while my P14s Gen 6 is great, the biggest complaint is the soldered USB C ports for power delivery. That's a huge point of failure. I mitigate the weak by using a magnetic USB C cable. It's nice to see the the new T series has modular USB C / thunderbolt ports and remediates the weak point that was a common complaint for users.

[–] derAbsender@piefed.social 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 child)

Could they please cooperate with Framework and create Universal Joints?

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 3 points 57 minutes ago

At a guess, such cooperation would undermine Lenovo's profit margin and would thus be a non-starter for them.

Enter government regulation, to pinch corporations by the ear and drag them to doing what's right for society.

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 124 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

Just a lil nitpick: article is by iFixit who is a Lenovo business partner. So perhaps less objective than one might hope.

[–] Mexigore@lemmy.world 1 point 21 minutes ago

They even state it them selves in the article, so it is not like they are trying to hide this. Also they say that this is not the end all be all of reparability, which IMO should merit not then getting a 10/10 but idk what their metrics are.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 49 points 2 hours ago (1 child)

It seems to me that Lenovo’s repairably is more affected by that iFixit partnership than the opposite. I don’t see anything factually wrong or suspicious in the article.

[–] Viceversa@lemmy.world 36 points 2 hours ago

Nevertheless, a conflict of interests is possible.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

As someone who has changed a laptop keyboard before.

That picture says it all.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

This is true, but they're also not wrong that fully-modular USB-C ports is an absolutely huge win. It's one of the biggest things when it comes to laptops these days.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 hours ago

I use iFixit's guides all the time, so I would hope that their score isn't affected by it. I've seen them as being fairly good at their role.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 hour ago

It's unlikely that fact will change the repairability of the devices. They risk too much by posting biased and false information on that end.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 55 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

There's a difference between 'repairable' and 'upgradable.' Most of the comments seem to conflate the two. Lenovo isn't doing a Framework.

It's a smart move. Differentiates them from other laptop-makers for corporate IT, who can do the parts swaps themselves. Also smart is associating the brand with iFixit and working to get a 10/10. That'll be what sets them apart from all the others, at least for the next year or two.

[–] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 2 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago) (1 child)

There's a difference between 'repairable' and 'upgradable.'

Absolutely! I've got a Lenovo IdeaPad Flex 5 (laptop/tablet thingy).

I've upgraded/replaced the ssd - no problem.

Unfortunately, this laptop has an issue with the keyboard: the left section/panel intermittently stops sending inputs. Meaning, keys like escape, a, w, shift, l-control - just stop (even in the bios). I'd read that they keyboard "collects" static which causes problems with certain sections of the keyboard.

I thought I'd see how difficult it would be to replace the keyboard. I watched a teardown video, and of course you need to remove everything... but I lost it when, the person in the video used a heat gun to melt "plastic rivits" that connected the keyboard to the motherboard case. Then with the replacement keyboard needed to remelt the plastic rivits.

This laptop is not repairable. In fact, I swore I'd never buy another Lenovo again as a result. ... but if their focus is on making them repairable (and their recent partnership with GrapheneOS edit: oops, that's Motorola and GrapheneOS) - I might be eating crow tonight.

[–] crabArms@lemmy.world 1 point 9 minutes ago

oops, that's Motorola

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/d/motorola-smartphones/ Same company, actually, so you were basically right the first time!

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The "upgradability" part in a small laptop is questionable to me, anyway.

The GPU is really compromised in that chassis, as having it in a slot compromises cooling big time, and limits how much power it can use. And while I love upgradable RAM for the CPU... it'd be better if they used faster CAMM modules. Many other brands have upgradable SSDs/WiFi.

Swappable ports are awesome, no question.

...But honestly, I'd rather have a smaller chassis, bigger GPU and better cooling right off the bat, like a Zephyrus chassis. And have it reparable, and make the whole motherboard standardized/swappable, but not compromise the chassis so severely by making it modular.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

A think pad t series is not really much harder to take apart than a framework. Just more screws and fewer magnets. The screen is probably an exception however.

[–] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

That's his point. It's similar to framework, but not the same.

Easy repairability is great, truly.

But framework offers more than that, easy repairability AND upgradability, because they offer new upgraded parts with the same compatibility as the old ones, so you can just drop them in.

Lenovo is not yet doing that. Which is fine. Just a noteworthy difference.

While easy to repair, how does durability compare so you don't need to repair it in the first place?

While not bad like an HP consumer grade laptop, I have not heard good things about the rigidity of the frameworks. All the modularity takes away space for reinforcement and leaves more points for things to break.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

I would be curious to see how often people actually upgrade their frameworks.

I agree with their repair stance. It just feels like one of those things people will tell you they want and then never do.

Still maybe the explosion in memory prices will change the incentives and people will start holding things longer. It will be interesting to see.

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 1 point 40 minutes ago

I would be curious to see how often people actually upgrade their frameworks.

For me, I've upgraded my mainboard to a newer CPU generation for better integrated graphics (old one is in a case as a home server) and I upgraded to their matte screen when they released those.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 point 55 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago)

It is a bigger deal in business settings, where one laptop can see multiple hands and you've got a team dedicated to repair.

Not typically an issue for the individual user, but increasingly an issue for a team of users as the size of the team grows

[–] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 hour ago

I got my framework about a year ago, before the tariffs got crazy, and well before ram got crazy (I put 96 gigs in it to play with AI workloads, and for the lulz).

My plan is to ride this thing until it starts showing its age. Which I imagine will be another 3 or 4 years? Only then can I comment on my actual desire and commitment to upgrading it.

Until then, I'm just banking on the fact that the company will a) live. And b) still have parts for my machine.

I do appreciate what they're doing, and I like my machine now.

There are definitely people out there who upgrade super frequently, who knows, maybe I'll be one of them in 1 or 2 years instead of 3 or 4. Hard to say what life will look like then, the way things go these days.

[–] brie_cheese@piefed.ca 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I've been a ThinkPad user for about 4 years now, got a second-hand T470s running Fedora. It's been an amazing experience! I'm not one for brand loyalty, but (so long as Lenovo doesn't fuck them up) ThinkPads will always be my first choice for a laptop.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 1 point 3 minutes ago

I've been wandering the laptop desert for a few years now. Lenovo, Dell, System76, Framework, StarLabs.

I'm currently on a Dell Pro 13, but the keyboard really sucks and the hardware isn't fully Linux compatible.

StarLabs had keyboard issues and terrible battery life.

Framework seems like Linux was an after thought. Their HiDPI display isn't fully Linux compatible.

I recently got my parents an X13 and everything just works. Camera, Bluetooth, graphics, display. All good.

I prefer 13in screens, but I'll take the repairability of the T14 gen 7!

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah I like Lenovo in general too! I have an Ideapad rather than a Thinkpad, but this is my second Lenovo and they've both lasted for ages, never had any weird problems, played nice with Linux etc.

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 255 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Lenovo also owns the Motorola phone brand, and they're going to adopt/allow GrapheneOS. I think they know how to grab customers right now, and I honestly like it.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 95 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (29 children)

They're usually also well supported on Linux, and even sell them with Ubuntu and Fedora pre-installed. Generally not a terrible brand.

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

What’s the price of this compared to a comparable (feature-wise) laptop? Just curious what the repairability premium is.

Depends on what features you value. Just raw specs? Some HP garbage will cost probably half what a comparable T14 costs.

2-3 years used? That ThinkPad is probably the same price or cheaper thanks to companies retiring leased machines.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

First, you have to define "comparable". These are Enterprise-grade laptops. Their class includes the Dell Latitude and HP Elitebook. It doesn't include anything you will ever find at Best Buy. It might be tempting to do so, since your visible specs like CPU and RAM are the same. But they really aren't the same.

Within their class, Lenovo has (for over a decade) been noticeably more expensive than their counterparts. Roughly $100-150 more per unit for the T4x0/T14 vs a Latitude 74x0 (now Dell Pro) or an Elitebook 840.

Current prices are: HP Elitebook 8 G1i 14 - Core Ultra 5 236v, 16GB/512GB, $1249

Dell Pro 14 - Core Ultra 5 236v, 16GB/512GB, $1659

Lenovo Thinkpad T14 Gen 6 - Core Ultra 235u, 16GB/512GB, $1809.

All have integrated graphics.

I don't think the detailed specs/pricing for Gen7 (what the article is about) has been announced yet. I would expect it to be in line with previous generations, since their 9/10 repairability score was.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

In six years I have burnt through two Lenovo ThinkPads. In the first the USB C charging port malfunctioned, and it turns out the charging port is soldered directly to the motherboard so they had to replace the whole thing. Ever since I got it back from repairs it enters into kernel panics all the time, no matter which distro I install.

I was in the middle of writing my thesis so I had no time for repairs when it broke, so I ordered mysef a new ThinkPad. I had to choose between pre-assembled models, and I wanted a high resolution display, a good processor, and some other things. I got one with not quite as much RAM as I really needed, and found out when I wanted to upgrade that they had rendered upgrading RAM completely impossible in that model of ThinkPad. It wasn't even one of the new slim ones, but a pretty traditional bulky one. Complete bullshit.

Both of these laptops are recent enough that had they not sucked I would still be using them years from now. I'm happy Lenovo appear to be changing their ways, but I wouldn't touch another ThinkPad with a stick after my experiences with them.

Currently I'm using a Framework 13. Hopefully it'll last me decades.

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I'll never buy a ThinkPad again after the T16 Gen 1 that I have at work. That thing was overheating from day one, absolutely terrible for a 3000€ business laptop.

Besides Lenovo's shitty BIOS issues (which they have tried to fix about five times in the last 3 years), sometimes boot-up still takes a minute to get past the Lenovo logo.

I don't even have a lemon or anything, several coworkers have also complained about the same issues. One got so angry he smacked the laptop a few times on his table out of frustration (no actual damage) and forced IT to give him a different more powerful model with better cooling.

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