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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 15 points 1 day ago (1 child)

All these "unintentional" tracking devices begin to look intentional.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

Build a large enough catalogue of bulk data and anything can be used to track you.

We bought "It's just so we can catch the terrorists!" hook, line, and sinker post-9/11.

But when "terrorism" is redefined as "making people in power upset," we're in big trouble.

So don't say anything rude about Donald Trump or the FBI will seek you out:

https://invidious.perennialte.ch/watch?v=QS4bVx74nxU

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 point 21 hours ago (1 child)

I never bought it, I was raising immortal hell then. But as a collective, yes we did, and as a collective, we're sitting around moaning instead of doing something, anything, effective.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

True, but your implication that I'm not doing enough while I'm sitting here complaining is just as well-served to the mirror.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 0 points 16 hours ago (1 child)
[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 point 2 hours ago

Apologies - didn't realize I was talking to someone who has bouts of nihilism mixed in with their political activism like rocks in a salad.

Enjoy the block!

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

I mean- anything that communicates wirelessly could be used to track an owner/user of a thing.. Is it likely? No, but is it possible someone puts radios under the pavement at intersections to log TPMS sensors? Sure- fuck now I'm messing with my own head. Never mind.

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

It seems easier to set up a camera and scan the license plate for identification instead of using radios for logging TPMS sensors.

Would it be an advantage to identify a car by logging the TPMS sensors?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

It would certainly be of interest to know the "where" and "when" of where someone is - to FLOCK or the government. I don't like where this is going in my brain.

[–] Kjell@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

Oh, I meant what the advantage would be of tracking TPMS sensors instead of using a camera to read the license plate. I can see the advantage of tracking people.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Ah. My bad. Outside of "stolen plate" I don't know what reason could be.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Wait till you see how many Bluetooth devices still do this. Or better yet, Ant+.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 1 point 19 hours ago

Fuck Cars, but also,my TPMS has always been me running around the car with a gauge before a roadtrip. Imagine my surprise when I find that my car has TPMPs, it just doesn't show pressures, just the tire icon.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 day ago (1 child)

Your car has a series of numbers and letters on the back of it that are unique to the vehicle, and can be used to track you as well. There are even automated cameras that can do this.

Tracking a vehicle is easy, and always has been.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

However, the researchers found that these tire sensors also send a unique ID number in clear, unencrypted wireless signals, meaning that anyone nearby with a simple radio receiver can capture the signal, and recognize the same car again later

Its not quite the same ball game. Sure its not great that the government can track easily with ALPRs, but this type of tracking is available to nearly anyone and could be used for significant crimes like stalking or human trafficking. It can also be done without a sightline of the car, unlike a camera system.

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[–] br0da@lemmy.world 141 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] i_am_tired_boss@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Hey, that's my line.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

O no. And this whole time I've been mailing my phone to my destination every time I have to drive somewhere so they can't track me!

The bastards!

[–] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My Wi-Fi also logs all the cars that pass that have built in WiFi. Kind of crazy how many ways cars can be tracked.

[–] Paradox@lemdro.id 53 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Your license plate can also be used to track you

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You are correct, the only thing worth mentioning is when the laws were created/written it did not account for someone creating a database that is easily searchable/queried to infer all these extra habits of people.

Its one thing visually seeing someone over and over walk or drive by your house while you sit on your porch. It's another thing to now know where they came from and where they went if you were able to sit on every porch at the same time in a town or city.

This is why police tails need to be granted by a judge, but a interconnected network of cameras at the moment does not recieve the same scrutiny.

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[–] plateee@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago

They mention this in the article. The difference is that since the tire sensor sends out an RF signal, direct line of sight isn't necessary. You could throw a tracker up on a roof and grab signals from a block over.

The missing part may be tying that signal to a specific car, but say your car gets pulled over - they could read your tires' sensor ID and compare it to where they captured it and bam! Now you're fucked.

[–] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Dude, my car has GPS and a 4G internet connection as well as my android phone and my work required iPhone ... In a world like this, Tyre sensors are probably not required to track me.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

License Plates, Vin Numbers clearly available on the dash, Tire Sensors, Bluetooth MAC, WIFI MAC, Cellular IDs for most even if you don't pay for the service.

It's an interesting thing to point out, but we're mostly driving around with much higher power sensors than the pressure sensors.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

So far I have had success in getting my new car unable to blast out all sorts of uniquely identifiable RF except for this TPMS thing. Does anyone have suggestions on how to deal with this one? Is there maybe a specific brand of sensors that doesn't send out beacons like this once already paired?

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[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago

Not to mention the cell phone most of us carry.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Jokes on them, those tire pressure sensors are the first thing I don't replace. I just visually check my tires and put a pressure gauge on them if they look suspect.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As someone who has gotten a flat and not noticed until the tire was destroyed multiple times, I love TPMS systems. They save me money in the long run as the tire can be patched instead of replaced.

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[–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Or just replace your tyres with ones with non sensor.

That said it is a little annoying. My dash is forever telling me it can't talk to the tyres.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (55 children)

A local city proudly mentioned on the news that they had a system that could track TPMS sensors. Pretty much all cars after 2008 uses TPMS sensors that each broadcast a unique identifier to the car. They aren't hard to remove, and you can buy valve stems that fit your car (0.452 hole) at any auto parts store.

EDIT: The sheer amount of replies to this post days later that basically state "This is too hard to do, and it won't work anyway, so you are stupid to try and shouldn't do it", all from people who clearly have no real idea how the TPMS system on a car works, have confirmed for me that I was correct in spending a half hour removing these devices.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago (31 children)

By "aren't hard to remove" you actually mean requires dismounting the tire from the rim, remounting it, and then balacing it. This is far beyond the capabilities not to mention equipment of the typical layperson. Plus, your state is likely to conveniently fail your car on its next inspection for a nonfunctioning TPMS system, same as your check engine light.

If you're going to go the distance anyway, get your tire shop to mount aftermarket Autel sensors in your rims. Using the readily available diagnostic tool, you can occasionally reprogram those (wirelessly!) with a set of random IDs and then also program your car to use them. You'll be a lot tougher to track if your signature is different every week.

I'm not about to do this just yet, but I do have the tool for more mundane purposes and I only paid around $200 for it several years ago.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 child)

Theres a spy device in your pocket.

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They discovered a thing that everyone's known forever. Here's Bruce Schneier in 2008

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/04/tracking_vehicl.html

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