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Yeah, a couple problems with that:
As always, these are systems of convenience, and the alternative is to check your tire pressures every day before leaving home.
Older cars use a wheel speed sensor-based TPMS. It's not as effective or reliable but it also doesn't emit any signals that can be read by other devices.
not why they were mandated.
The US and Canada at one point could hit their Paris Accord C02 ouputs just by keeping car tires properly inflated.
I managed to drive cars for 30 years without a TPMS sensor and the only time I ever had a to check the pressure on a tire, was when I knew i had a leak and didn't have time to fix it. I can also tell by the way my car drives if a tire is soft. I also had an air pump in my car powered by a cigarette lighter adapter that I could fill my tires.
My current car, from 2019 doesn't have one. I've managed to own it 7 years (this week) without needing to check the pressure 2500 times.
The assertion you need to check your pressure everyday without a TPMS system is ridiculous.
If you didn't check your tire pressure in the last 20 minutes how do you know you didn't just drive over a nail and get a slow leak? TPMS checks every few seconds so you know when there is a small problem. Anyone will notice a fully flat tire, but a lot of people used to drive on low tire pressure for months without knowing. Once someone knew their tire had a problem they would check daily (until they got it fixed), but many people never knew in the first place, and even though who did know often took a week before they found out - they of course have no way to know since nobody checked their tire pressure daily much less every 20 minutes.
I've been driving for 30 years. Do you want to guess how many times that's happened to me?
Meanwhile, I've apparently been living in a totalitarian surveillance state for at least a few years now, and you know how many times that's happened to me? I'll give you a hint, it's more than the number of times I've run over a nail causing me to drive around on low tire pressure without knowing it.
Longer than that for me. Never happened, but I do not run tires more than 8 years old, regardless of mileage.
What matters is the whole community. Statistically it happens to someone in your community. Society wasted a lot of fuel (read global warming) just on low tire pressure.
Surveillance is a problem. So is global warming.
That may have been the intention but I doubt it ever worked as effectively as they claimed it would. Besides, it will probably cost at least 1 AI data-center of carbon emissions to continuously surveil all these people with TPMS sensors, so the argument could be made that you're actually reducing carbon pollution at this point by removing yours.
Low tire pressure is not a safety issue, more of a efficiency issue, until it is so low that you'd need to be paying ZERO attention to the car's handling to not notice. Lower pressure actually increases performance (to a point, and depending on the tire) because it can allow more rubber to contact the road. It is pretty typical to air down to around 20 psi for performance driving even if it's closer to 35 for daily driving.
It's very easy to notice if one tire loses pressure because you'll have a very strong pull to one side, almost like a bad alignment. I got my tires rotated at a shop and they deflated the tires for some reason and forgot to refill one of them. On my way home I was freaking out that they fucked my alignment because it was handling so weird on the suburban roads home (not even twisty performance driving). My TPMS didn't even go off until I was basically home already. When I checked the tire it was maybe 15 or 20. Certainly not dangerous but also certainly noticeable.
Have you met people? Do you think that battered old Chevy is driven by someone who cares about the TPMS light? They can ignore it as effectively as the check engine light.
You clearly need a TPMS if you aren't smart enough to detect when your car pulls to one side, drags, or makes a loud FWAPFWAPFWAP sound.
I am suspicious of that being the motivation behind this.
The fact that you've gotten away with it is not proof that it's unnecessary. The fact that it was legally mandated is good evidence that it is. These systems save lives, no question about it.
lots of things are legally mandated without any good evidence.
Lots of things legally mandated in the past are now unconscionable or illegal now.
Legal != effective or ethical, that is an unbelievably stupid argument for TPMS.
LOL who said anything about ethics? This is an unbelievably stupid strawman.
indeed, you said this:
but their point was laws are not always made with good intentions and safety in mind. that's not to say TPMS is required for secret surveillance, but that there being a law for it does not immediately mean there's good purpose for that law.
Indeed, that had nothing to do with ethics.
yes it has, when a law not only just does not have good purpose, but even malicious, but even when the added safety is not outweighed by the bad things it does
Do you believe law and ethics are separable? Does your "these systems save lives" not speak to the very reasoning employed to codify an ethical position into the law of the land?
Why are we still talking about ethics? I'm not going to entertain this strawman any further.
What a shockingly wrong take. TPMS is a convenience, not a safety measure, have properly inflated tires is. And, anyone who properly maintains their car, doesn't need it
And, it's not legally mandated everywhere, even if it is for you.
What an incredibly bad take. Indeed, having properly inflated tires is a safety issue. How do you know if they're properly inflated? Are you checking them every 3 minutes while driving? Because TPMS is...
Because I was bored
GIDAS data
https://www.ircobi.org/wordpress/downloads/irc0111/2009/Session2/2_3.pdf
It concludes that even if you increased grip, which includes tire pressure variance, by 15%, it would only represent a reduction of 2% of road related fatalities, which is actually within the margin of error.
While 2% sounds like a lot, GIDAS also shows that tire failures account for less than 1% of road accidents causing death.
So you're spending $300 to $500 on a new car for a TPMS which reduces the probability of accidental death by 0.02%.
And fun fact, most tire related accidents are actually from tread depth, not low pressure, and TPMS will do fuck all to tell you your tread depth is low.
It's nothing to do with grip. In fact, a lower tire pressure will actually increase grip.
Oh well if no one died it must not be a safety issue?
Uhhh nope, it comes with the car...
So we're just going to ignore it as a safety issue because it's not a main cause of collisions?
Your personal insults are only reflecting poorly on you.
They come with the car. Every car. Doesn't matter how much they cost. They are not optional. It is not a choice your can make.
They didn't come with my car. My car does not have a TPMS sensor. Your "every car comes with them" statement is blatantly false.
And, I am not insulting you, if anything I am sad for you. I made what I believe is an honest assessment of your intellectual capabilities based on your lack of understanding with how parts inside an automobile are priced and the nonsensical responses you have given to cogent points.
It doesn't matter if it's mandated for inclusion where you live, that doesn't mean it's free. You are paying for it. In fact, you are paying for sensors to be replaced multiple times over the life of the vehicle, another thing which most people won't do. So, every 3 to 8 years (depending on various factors), you have to replace the TPMS sensors, pay another $300 to $500 for something which does sweet fuck all for your safety.
Them you have an old car. Every new car comes with them, and has for a long time, because it's required by law.
If you don't think calling me stupid is an insult then I have "assessed your intellectual capabilities" and decided you're actually a moron.
I didn't say it was free. I said it was included and not a choice you have to make. Someone who's not a moron would have understood that.
LOL what? Who told you that!?
It monitors your tire pressure. That's important for safety, as I've outlined several times now.
I have a 2019, which I stated multiple times.
Not all cars come with them. Maybe it's law where you live, but not where I live.
The I'm rubber and you're glue argument. Good job. You really showed me. Do you need a pat on the head?
It wasn't included in my car. It was not even offered on my car. The fact that you are 100% convinced of something that is just not true and keep arguing that it is, is what makes me think you're not very smart.
Fuck me. You really are dense. You know the batteries don't last forever.
Just because you say something more than once, doesn't make you right. You asserted something, I provided statistical evidence from GIDAS proving you wrong, and you just "nuh-uhed" and repeated the same point. It's effect on safety is statistically insignificant.
Okay every response you gave included an insult, while providing the most moronic strawman takes possible so I'm going to conclude that you're arguing not only in bad faith but also maliciously, and block you. Better luck next time.
I'm also a huge fan of, "I don't understand enough to refute you, so you must be arguing in bad faith."
Another factually incorrect statement.
Because I am not a complete fucking idiot.
If you truly believe that nonsense you are spewing, your probably shouldn't be driving. You are unaware of the operational aspects of your vehicle and are a danger to the people around you.
Mmmmmm
WTF is a "operational aspect"?
I live in Canada and my snow tires haven't had functioning TPMS in years. I do have a tire pressure light on forever, and they're not mandated.
Cool. Did you come here just to tell us that you're proud to drive unsafely or what?
If only there was some kind of way to periodically check tire pressures.
No one does that. Nor is it possible to do while the vehicle is rolling down the road.
Do you drive without a LIDAR? Why, do you like to live dangerously?
If my car had LIDAR I would certainly take reasonable measures to ensure it continued working, yes.
My snow tires didn't come with TPMS sensors.
Because they're not mandated.
Just like LIDAR wasn't mandated on your car when you bought it.
TPMS sensors are in the wheels, not the tires. The only way they would no longer be there is if you had them removed.
1.) Lol, no I won't. That light can be removed. Or if it's a Ford, you can access the vehicle with Forscan and turn off that functionality.
2.) How did we ever survive before 2008? Were there disabled cars with shredded tires every 20 feet? Was it an apocalypse of failed tires? People who don't bother to check tire pressure won't bother for yet another warning light on their dash.
I read this as Foreskin
LOL often times it cannot, because it's not a "light" at all on modern vehicles.
A lot of people didn't. That's why it was mandated.
Maybe YOU can't remove the light.
This has nothing to with me.